Jan Fennell, “The dog listener”, is an English dog trainer who applied the insights of Monty Roberts into horse behavior to the behavior of dogs. Her training. Jan Fennell. likes . I heard a woman describe her dog as being ‘naughty and very ‘wilful’ and then heard her human. I have been trying to find a good behaviourist/trainer and have come across someone local who is part of the Jan Fennell “Dog Listener” group.
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Discussion in ‘ Dog Training: Principle and Practice ‘ started by Jane MartinJun 11, Log in or Sign up. It only takes a minute! Apr 16, Messages: Has anyone any comments on The Dog Listener? Maybe this has already been discussed – sorry if it jzn. I had a discussion with a potential Day Care provider today who trained with her Jan Fennell and would use ilstener training just to maintain behaviour at dog day care.
I know a little bit about the theory but I’d love to hear from anyone who has a view about it. Jane MartinJun 11, Feb 14, Messages: Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way Also interested to hear views on this RosieJun 11, Mar fennelo, Messages: Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way I hadn’t heard about her methods previously other than recognising the name so I just had a look at her website and read a few of her articles. Seems to be a kind and thoughtful approach based on observation of the dog’s behaviour so I wouldn’t think you’d run into any ffnnell with harsh techniques.
Seems pretty lisyener that she rejects the Cesar Millan school of thought. Was hard from the website to get an idea of the basic methodology underlying her approach – ‘Amichien Bonding’. I would give it a go with the trainer and just see if it all feels right to you.
OberonJun 11, Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way Thanks Rachael.
Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way
There are short films of her on youtube if you are interested in finding out more. May 10, Messages: Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way I have read some interesting ‘critiques’ of Jan Fennel’s approach. I’ll try and find a link for you, edited to add, I believe that she promotes pack theory and dominance beliefs, but I haven’t read her book and might be wrong. Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way Thanks Pippa, it seems a bit grey actually; I think she promotes the pack theory but my understanding is that its not dominance but leadership that she espouses.
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There seems to be a difference between the two. As I understand it limited knowledge the handler takes away the stress and responsibility that comes with the dog being the pack leader, by making all of the decisions.
The dog does not need to feel fear and therefore bark and become aggressive because the handler is the leader and makes all of the decisions. The dog does not need to protect itself or the handler because the handler takes on the role.
The dog has a stress free life. This is not achieved by dominance from the handler in an aggressive way, indeed the handler must remain calm and quietly in control. However, I think there is also the idea that play is ONLY instigated by the handler; sitting on the sofa is ok, as long as you invite it and do not let the dog decide when it can ilstener ignoring the dog when you return home; giving fennell dog a short time out when behaviour is not acceptable and repeating this in a calm controlled way until behaviour is acceptable also seems to be a format.
Fenenll think it is interesting. You are never meant to be harsh or fehnell but the idea I think is that the dog responds to you as a leader and knows you have jam covered; it is safe.
I like the idea of kindness oistener consistency that gets the results that you want. Perhaps the label of leadership has led people to interpret it as dominance. Look at me, I know nothing! I just read a lot! I HAVE seen clicker training, in a similarly quietly controlled atmosphere and environment and I definitely will be going to clicker classes. Jane MartinJun 12, Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way I am now thinking about “leadership” and “dominance”.
To lead do you have to dominate? Is ignoring a dog dominating it? Good leaders lead out of respect and trust; bad leaders lead through dominance and fear Orwellian theory?
There are leaders who have soldiers follow them willingly and bad leaders who perhaps through dominance, are followed out of fear. Where does leadership become dominance?
I think this can be applied to children. We guide them and hopefully do not allow them to push boundaries. We hopefully don’t rule them out of fear.
I have gone into overdrive! Jun 15, Messages: Have fun with your pup, work on a great relationship built on love and trust I think this is very importantdon’t reward bad behaviour, reward good behaviour, and it seems to work out just fine. And bulk order sea biscuits. JulieTJun 12, Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way Forgive me everyone – I believe I am working this through via the forum.
The pack theory seems to be out of date. Well, the new pack theory is that the pack exists but they co-operate rather than have dominance. Oh dear – I am confused! Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way Thanks Julie!!!!!!!!!
You are MY leader! Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way ;D When does puppy arrive? Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way I do remember one phrase from the Jan Fennel book that described the difference between leadership and dominance – it was something about “you need to act in such a way that, if a leadership election was called tomorrow, your dogs would vote for you to be the leader”. I’m not sure about everything in her book, but I really liked that one.
RosieJun 12, Yee haa I am so happy and excited!!!!!!!!! Jan 28, Messages: Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way I find the whole debate around “leadership” and dominance” fascinating. Just an observers perspective our dog Benson, is a very young dog, now just turned 8 months. He is most relaxed and comfortable playing with puos his age or younger, he appears confident and carefree. Very different approach with an older or unfamiliar dog.
Not that he is a nervous dog by any means.
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The other thing I have noticed is this carefree and happy behaviour also applies to our neighbours children, who adore him. Ollie, the young lad, loves to play football with him, he is only 9 or 10 years old, Benson acts more like a puppy with them, when he sees them in the garden he can’t wait to play I don’t lisrener, it seems he has an innate understanding of where he jaan in the pack so to speak?
If that is the case, maybe this is one of the reasons why socialisation at a young age is so important, especially with other dogs. BeanwoodJun 12, The leadership concept is different to the dominance concept as it’s based on something you earn not something you demand by force.
There has been some work on wild dog packs not wolves but feral lisetner suggesting that the dogs that seem to be leading are the ones that are calm and confident and have worked their way there through a history of building relationships with other dogs sorry, don’t have a reference off the top of my head but will look. So I don’t think the leadership listeneg is entirely baseless as far as actual dog behaviour goes. I don’t have a problem with it anyway as, put into practice, it’s not likely to be harmful to the dog or your relationship with it.
Maybe a bit more ‘rule bound’ than it needs to be listensr. I don’t think it matters a jot if your dog jumps on the sofa when it wants but uan kind and positive and responsive to the dog in nature.
Anyway, that was my impression of it. OberonJun 12, I like the focus on kindness with rules. I like to hear others’ responses as it is so helpful in defining what I like. Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way I’m just guessing here but you might find that if the oistener has a particular theory that the training methods are based on then there might be a few more rules for the humans too.
That is, you might be told that there is ‘one right way’ to do things, based on the theory. I’d just be prepared to go along with a liatener to question and literally ask questions, which I am sure you will do! Sep 20, Messages: UncleBobJun 12, Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way Oh! I am fsnnell myself – that I might actually be involved in a movie quote!
And Rachael’s timely and philosophical warning about ” questioning”. I want you all to live around the corner from me. Thoughts on “training” the Jan Fennell way If thinking of your interactions with your dog in terms of “leadership” helps, that’s just fine.
And if this means you are calm, consistent and clear and so on, with your dog, fab and it’s a good system unless it starts getting distorted into daft rules. I really don’t buy all of this stuff though. I honestly don’t think Charlie has any concept whatsoever of leadership.